The first training set-up this past Saturday was an in-line double.  For in-line marks, usually the farther one is thrown first and then a closer mark is thrown so that it falls in-a-line with the first.  Here is a rough diagram of what I am talking about.

The Marks Are Thrown As Shown--1,2 And Usually Should Be Picked Up 2,1
The Marks Are Thrown As Shown–1,2 And Usually Picked Up 2,1

Marks thrown in a line can mess with a dog because once the dog picks up the closer mark, they forget all about the farther mark.  Or if they blow over the closer mark and pick up the farther mark, they forget all about the closer mark.  They are used to marks spread across the field, so in a dog’s mind,  it must be somewhere else.  In-line marks are advanced marks.

Last year when Storm (and Thunder), ran this type of double they would run over the closer mark and pick up the farther one first.  Longer marks are what they are used to seeing.  They had trouble remembering, that closer mark.  Usually they had to be handled to it.

But this time Storm did this double correctly.  She picked up the closer mark and then pushed past the area where she picked up the first bumper and got the farther one.  Good job!

Some pictures.

Storm Is Off To The Closer Mark
Storm Is Off To The Closer Mark (#2)
She Has It
She Has It
Good Girl!
Good Girl!
Off To The Second Mark
Off To The Farther Mark (#1)
Nice Job Storm!
Nice Job Storm!

Freighter also ran this set-up, but as back to back single marks.  The farther one was thrown first (#1) and he was sent to retrieve it.  Then the closer one was thrown (#2) and he was sent to retrieve it.  There were two visible gunners in the field (throwers in the field wearing white) so an inexperienced dog may have trouble passing that closer gunner and pushing to the back of the field.

Freighter got out past the first gunner, put up a hunt, but was not able to come up with the bumper without a little help.  He did fine on that closer mark.  Since this is training, I was not concerned that he needed help on the longer mark.  This is teaching time and I was confident that we would run something similar as the day progressed so let’s see how he does the next time, (more on that in another post).

When we first started training, I did not understand that a dog doing everything perfect in training is not learning.  Training with a pro, we now know that it is important to challenge our dogs and if they are not perfect it is OK and long as they put the effort in.

Some pictures of Freighter.

Freighter Heading Out
Freighter Heading Out
Moving Past The Closer Gunner
Moving Past The Closer Gunner
He Finally Has It
He Finally Has It
Second (Closer) Mark No Problem--Hey What Is Attached To The Bumper?
Second (Closer) Mark No Problem–Hey What Is Attached To The Bumper?
Its A Flag
It’s A Flag
Good Boy!
Good Boy!

The next thing we did was a blind run on the same side of the field where the gunners were standing to throw the marks.  I realize this post is long, but I wanted to put these two scenarios in one post to show how one part of training builds from the one before.  In a Master test, this type of progression is very possible.  In fact, Thunder ran a Master test last year very similar to this.

Pick Up The Closer Blind And Then The Farther One
Pick Up The Closer Blind And Then The Farther One

By putting the blinds on the same side of the field where the marks were just thrown it puts another thought into the dog’s head.  To make this blind more difficult, the bumpers were placed on the edge of a tree line.  Some dogs are reluctant to go to the edge of the field like a tree line, or a corn field.  The trick is to get the dogs to go there and find the bumper.  Also, the handler needs to exercise control when the dog gets to the bumper so that the dog does not get a whiff of something and go off investigating the woods.

Storm did fine on the closer blind which she ran first.  The farther one she had a bit of trouble with.  The trick for her handler was to push her past that first blind and not let her dig back to the first one.  It took several whistles, but she finally got there.

Some pictures of her work on the first (closer) blind.

Storm Getting Ready
Storm Getting Ready
She Is Sent With The Command "Back"
She Is Sent With The Command “Back”
Whistle Sit
Whistle Sit
Left Angle Back
Left Angle Back
Right Back
Right Back
She Has It
She Has It
Happy Storm
Happy Storm
Good Girl!
Success On The Second Blind–Good Girl!

Tomorrow the next set of marks.  Did Freighter improve?  Check back tomorrow.

16 thoughts on “Marks And Blinds

  1. Again a really interesting post!! I try to get Rudy and Rio to sit to the whistle but we havent got that yet as its something we have not long been trying. Any tips?

    1. We worked on this with the help of a professional trainer. If we run into issues we ask how to resolve them, so I am not sure I have useful tips. 🙂 There are a ton of books and training videos on this subject too. When we first started, we did everything in close and on lead. We got the solid “sit” on the whistle blast and then lengthened. It can be difficult to stop a dog moving away from you. Good luck. 🙂

  2. Just love seeing those dogs run! They look like they know they’re “in their element” – it’s a thing of beauty! 🙂

  3. I’m curious about that statement if a dog is perfect, they’re not learning. What exactly does that mean? How else would learn to perfect something if they haven’t learned the behavior? (Just asking) 😉

    1. This answer may take longer than I can write comfortably in a comment box. I think I will put it in my FUF this week, along with your question from yesterday. 🙂

  4. They sure are some smart Muffins. I’m glad you put this up it gave me a much better understanding of how it all works. So the gunners were meant to distract them from picking up their target marker’s right? (If I’m not please ignore my ignorance, I get confused very easily loll). This seems like such a fun mind engaging exercise/sport for them

    1. The gunners are in white to help the dogs see where the marks are coming from. They should not be a distraction, but a help. At the tests we run, they are fully concealed, but we are training so we want the dogs to see them. I hope that answers your question. If not let me know.

      Believe me, when we first started I did not know any of this stuff. Plus I know some of what I write may be confusing if you have never been to a test, so ask any question and I will try to answer. I am still learning too. 🙂

      1. Ohhhhh! It all makes sense now! No I think you did a very thorough explanation and the pictures helped too, sometimes my little brain just doesn’t get there as fast, hee hee

  5. Thanks, I sure learn a lot about retriever training from your posts!

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