Bassetmomma asked a couple of great questions about yesterday’s post. First she wanted to know if these training sessions are for hunting or for competition, or both.  This training is for both; however, I bet we would have skipped being out on Christmas Eve in the freezing cold if we had until next hunting season to get this training done.  😆  But seriously, this training is set up for all levels of retrievers and is adjusted slightly for the lower level retrievers/handlers.  It is useful for hunting dogs and for those who are training for tests.  Last winter we took the coldest part of the winter off, but as with anything, our dogs’ skills slipped and it took us some time to get the 2 brown dawgs back to where they were before we took the time off.  We were determined to do some sort of consistent field training over this winter so that hopefully their skills will not slip too far.

Bassetmomma also asked whether we have to constantly mix things up to challenge Thunder and Storm so that they think about their choices.  When I say that the dog makes a bad choice, I mean it is told to go in one direction, or it is looking in the correct direction, and chooses to go in a different direction when released by the handler.  That is a matter of basic obedience.  I sent you this way and you chose the wrong way so you are called back without the prize (the bumper or bird) and will do it over.

However, hunt test training involves a lot more than teaching the dog obedience or fetching a mark.  This is why we are so thankful to be training with Darrin because he is such an experienced trainer.  He sets these training days up based on the skills he wants to work on that day.  Every scenario has a specific skill or skills that he wants to work.  Even the drills that seem the easiest all have a greater purpose.

On this particular day there were all levels training, even our trainer’s dogs that have passed Master tests many times over and his puppy Phury.  Phury is about 6 months old, (I think I have his age right).  He is pretty amazing and is already working on handling, but he is still a young dog so he was getting single marks and help with marks as needed.  I bet he will be doing triples in no time!

Phury Watching Marks

In these pictures  he is working on his obedience and sitting quietly while watching other dogs run marks.  He was even pick up dog for another puppy who was pulled off line.  🙂

Phury Likes His Marks

Going back to Bassetmomma’s question, sometimes we work on scenarios that Darrin has seen over the years Master tests he has run.  He is fond of telling us that because he has run so many dogs, he has failed more tests than we will ever run.  😆  (He is being a bit modest because he has trained many dogs to their Master Hunter title.  I think if he isn’t at 50 Master titles yet, he will be when our season starts up again in Spring.  He really has a lot of test experience and a lot of tricks in his training bag.)

One of the scenarios that we trained on this day was a blind set right in front of the gunner’s station.  This is not a place where a judge would normally place a blind, but it is done on occasion by certain judges.  Most dogs figure out, or are taught, that a bird is never going to be right next to the gunner’s station because generally they are thrown out and away from them. Most dog’s are reluctant to go to the gunner’s station because they have been trained to avoid that area.  We ran this set-up just to show it to the dogs in case they ever see it at a test.

Thunder did well on this and lined the blind.  We never really taught him to stay away from the gunner’s station.  (Which wasn’t necessarily a good thing and cost him a couple of Junior passes…hey we were very novice trainers when he was young. :))

Thunder Off For The Blind Retrieve

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Almost There

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Thunder Is On The Pile

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Returning

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Good Boy

Now we probably won’t run this again because you don’t want to teach the dog to go to the gunner’s station, just to show it to them.  So much of the training at the various levels is to show the dogs different set ups and scenarios so they do not get fixed on one order, or one way of doing things.  Hunt tests can be set in unlimited ways and chances are you are going to test on lots of different properties.  Remember the cabbage patch pondThe stick pond?

Another thing that we did was to run the dogs off a box.  This is something that shows up at a test from time to time where the dog will need to run from a dog stand or off a special mat and you don’t want the dog to see this for the first time at a test.  It can also give the dog a visual for coming straight back to heel.  Thunder and Storm are used to hunting off a dog stand so they took the box in stride.

Storm Getting Ready

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Signal For Marks

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Marks Going Off

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She's Off

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On The Mark

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On Her Way Back

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Back To Heel

We also trained a wipe-out triple that sort of blew Thunder and Storm’s little minds.  This diagram shows how it was thrown.

What makes this a tough triple is that #1 is thrown first, then #2, then #3.  When #3 is thrown right in line with #1, it sort of makes the dogs forget all about #1.  Our dogs were sent to pick up #3, then #2, then #1.  For an inexperienced dog, it would be really difficult to get them to pass up #3 since it was right in front of them.  So they were sent to pick that bumper up first.  They did fine on that one, and #2, but had trouble with #1.  Both Thunder and Storm need to work on this because this sort of triple is something they very well may see at a test.  Also, this scenario could very well happen while hunting too.  Thunder did retrieve a quad (4 ducks fell at once), and this kind of training is great should his hunter ever be so fortunate to have that kind of luck again!

Thunder Watching Marks

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Good Boy

We had a really great training day.  Thanks to Bassetmomma for the great questions!

12 thoughts on “Last Training of 2011~12-31-11

  1. Thanks for explaining things so well. Seeing all the repetitve work that goes into to training a dog and helping them reach their true potential is really something! How it intertwines with both testing and hunting is a real eye opener into the retriever dog world. Yes, all dogs have potential in some way (apperently Fred & Glorias is drooling & sleeping lol!) but retrievers I think really are an elite breed. Congratulations on all the hard work and accomplishments you achieve with Thunder and Storm and of course your soon to be little brown furry addition!

    1. I agree, Bassetmomma. Every dog does have their potentials. For me, it is snorting, snorting and always looking hungry. I have mastered the “look like you’re starving” look better than anyone else. I wish they gave out rewards for looks! Sigh.

  2. I am always so impressed by Thunder and Storm. Their skills are truly inspirational. It must take so much concentration and self-control to sit back and watch another dog train without getting too excited or making a move into their game. Good job! I am excited to see your wonderful puppies in training next!

  3. Thanks for explaining all of that. It is wonderful that your trainer has so much experience under his belt and can expose the dogs to many different scenarios that you might run into. That helps tremendously!

  4. This is really so cool! We love learning about all of this, thanks for sharing and explaining this stuff to us. Thunder and Storm are really one of a kind, we really love seeing them learning and excelling!! We loved the pictures too 🙂

  5. This is so fascinating, and what I think I like even more is to hear that you are learning right along with your dogs.

  6. You guys so obviously enjoy what you’re doing which makes it that much more fun to read about!!

    AROOOOOOF!
    Boondocks & The Love Shack Pack

  7. I don’t think I’ll ever participating in a hunting trial but i saw some good handling lessons here for every day life.

    For example, the reminder that dogs don’t generalize well and that a retrieve from a box is different from a retrieve from the ground. Fascinating.

  8. I love the way you explain it, so even someone with no experience with this can understand it. It looks like you had a great session and as usual the dogs look like they enjoy what they are doing.

  9. Wow! This is really, really fascinating!! As I said before, I don’t know anything about hunt training and am unlikely to ever experience it myself in ‘real life’ due to the kind of dog I like – ha! ha! – but I do love reading about it on your blog. It is all so interesting. And never mind Thunder & Storm – that triple blew MY mind! 😛 I am just in awe of dogs being able to fetch 3 or 4 simultaneous things – and in a correct sequence. I have enough trouble getting mine to fetch 1 (although this is more due to her tendency to decide to lie down halfway back and take a nap – hee! hee! 😆 )

    Thanks for sharing – and educating! 🙂
    Hsin-Yi

  10. You explain this so well — as someone who knew nothing about hunt tests prior to reading your blog, I am learning so much from you! I am always amazed at what goes into this sport – your pups and their training are very inspiring.

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